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As Time Out launches one of its regular North v South London issues, I have to admit I find this particular argument difficult to get excited about these days. I've lived on both sides of the river and found very little difference between the two. Most Londoners would now surely agree that geographically, economically and culturally it’s between east and west that the real divide lies. Feature continues
However, if we are looking at north against south, one thing stands out: when it comes to blogging, the south wins hands down, and the south-east in particular.
Browse our links if you don’t believe me. Over in the Kentish corner of London we have Greenwich Phantom, Brockley Central, Transpontine, Deptford Dame, Blackheath Bugle and Charlton’s 853, while in Stockwell there’s the excellent Onion Bag Blog. There are dozens more such locally focussed blogs in this extraordinarily fertile area of London.
And North London? Well, Dave Hill has a great Hackney blog and there’s Walthamstow’s Bryn’s So-Called Life but that’s about it as far as I can make out.
Perhaps this is because the best bloggers north of the river (Diamond Geezer among others) don’t concentrate so specifically on their area. Or is it because south Londoners (who are all, one notes, located firmly east of the centre in all these cases) tend to be younger so are more in tune with technological developments. Do south Londoners have more pride and interest in their local area? Or is it because south Londoners feel they aren’t properly served by mainstream media so have to forge their own communication networks.
Any thoughts?
Update It's like a London blogging symposium in the comments, while elsewhere Deptford Dame ('for once Time Out get it right' – the cheek!), 853 and Bryn have a word.
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17 comments
I'm disappointed in the quality of many of the London blogs. Only a few really say anything interesting about life in London and say it well.
http://watts60.blogspot.com/
I am not into this North vs South thing but I am a little upset to have been missed out of the North London bloggers list
(thanks M@)
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Jane
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www.janeslondon.com
It's been my experience that students prefer facebook to blogging. BTW, here's two blogs by people from North London:
http://uptothehouse.wordpress.com/
http://anditfeelslikehome.blogspot.com/
"... many London bloggers choose to write about a wider range of subject matter than just their immediate area." Deptford Dame
That's why the Greenwich Phantom is great. If you're a local, you understand all the nooks and crannies he/she refers to - as they're on your doorstep and it's only about Greenwich and its environs. You really feel like the other contributors love the place as much as you.
Having lived all across London before finally washing up in Greenwich I can only assume that the reason for all the blogs here is media coverage: in every other part of London I've been able to read reviews in Time Out and other publications of the local restaurants, pubs etc, whereas SE10 seem to get an annual visit from Time Out when they put their yearly pamphlet together.
The Phantom, The Dame, 853 and others are all providing a service that doesn't get filled anywhere else, and those of us who read them are delighted that they're around to tell us what's happening in the local area.
In a way, these blogs are an extension of the local community: SE folks tend to be a little more polite to each other, and willing to chat to strangers in the queue at the butchers, than in other parts of the city, although that may just be an East London thing. It also demonstrates an easily noticeable pride in the area which is infectious: I've been living here less than a year but already feel that I'm a local.
They also show a willingness to share the delights of the south east with the world: while there might be a mild miffed-ness at being the forgotten area of London, mostly we tend to think of ourselves as lucky to live in an area that has history, convenience, parks, amenities, arts and culture all within easy access of our front doors.
The Geezer is right in saying that many London bloggers choose to write about a wider range of subject matter than just their immediate area. What's more, some of us have more than one blog so that we can write about our other obsessions elsewhere!
Iguess we feel we have something to prove in the South East.
No matter how much coverage of South East London the capital's press THINKS it gives us, when it comes down to it, it's either 'news' - stabbings or murders (which DO happen - but it's not just a South East London problem) or one of those 'lovely days out' pieces, which if it's about Greenwich will be about the park, and if it's about anywhere else it will be Crystal Palace. And, er, that's it.
So we talk between ourselves, sharing good stuff (and less good stuff) with folk who are not sniffy about taking public transport that isn't a tube, that are prepared to look at somewhere traditionally unfashionable and find beauty there. People who are prepared to discover new things, and not follow the same tired old paths trodden by decades of style snobbery.
I agree with Peter. I don't think this is a North/South issue. I feel I have much more in common with North East London, than the South West.
But when it comes down to it, I just love London. I adore Greenwich, of course, but every part of the capital has its exciting bits - even the North West, which I know least of all.
Ultimately I'd put aside any of these petty feuds to defend London as a whole from anyone who cares to knock it.
Perhaps it's because the mainstream London media - including Time Out - don't cover the area much at all, preferring to stick to places in N1, and only venturing into Greenwich when they need to do a "best places to picnic or take kids out" feature...
I'm also from southeast London (Greenwich) but don't really blog much about my area. Luckily for me there's lots of fine bloggers round here who do.
Well, as one of the lion cub's share of Londonist bloggers from the south-east, I suspect the proliferation of good blogs about the area is - as Brockley Central says - because we tend to get thoroughly ignored. When I say where I live, people tend to either wrinkle their noses or look blank. Do we have a certain amount of chippy pride? Possibly. I think it's a mixture of community pride and also - perhaps - the fact that SE London is/was one of the few remaining places young professionals could afford to buy. You tend not to create a blog with a sense of place unless you know you're committed to an area. It could be down to a quirk of demographics and property prices.
I have encountered lots of blogs from all over London on the website London bloggers. I agree with diamond geezer that not many of them focus that particularly on their area. However most of the blogs mentioned where they were living and unavoidably that also influenced their postings.
Having lived in North, South and East London I had not really noticed a difference in the amount of blogging. However I have never lived in the South East hub! Bryn
I think all the reasons you mention help to explain it, but most importantly, we are filling a gap left by newspapers and magazines who tend to ignore SE London unless there's a stabbing.
I'm sure there are bloggers all over the capital, both north and south, most of whom choose to write about something other than where they live. However, the most geographically focused bloggers do indeed appear to be in southeast London. I wish there more elsewhere.
Don't know why, but I've noticed it too. Not just blogs, but community sites like urban75, CamberwellOnline, SE23.com, etc.
And it's not just my own South London bias - I have a London-wide set of WWII maps on flickr, and they get blogged almost exclusively from South London sites.
It's true. And add Annie Mole who lives South, albeit to the far west of London. And Cabbie's Capital, of course.
The North can claim Jane's London, and the lion's share of the Londonist bloggers. Brian the Pigeon claims to live on Beak Street in Soho, but I think that's a lie. Oh, and check out the King's Cross Local Environment blog, which is a really good local group blog.