Joan Rivers has a couple of hours free between her afternoon segment selling her hugely successful line of jewellery on QVC and her early-evening shift. She likes to check out what the young people are wearing over here whenever she’s in town. So we head to Topshop on Oxford Street for a chat and a shop. This diminutive septuagenarian hunts through the racks like a woman possessed, throwing endless glittering necklaces and shiny bracelets into her personal assistant’s basket.
‘Don’t just watch me. Find something for you daughter and fiancée,’ she demands in that familiar rasping New York drawl.
She advises me on what to buy for whom and shakes her head at my poorer choices. We chat as we choose.
Do you think comedians have the right to talk about whatever they like?
‘Yes. I put everything I think is funny in the act, and I think a lot of really sick things are funny. Bill Cosby once said to me that if only one per cent of the world’s population thinks you’re funny, you’ll fill stadiums for the rest of your life, so don’t worry about the other ninety-nine per cent. I always think about that when I do a Helen Keller joke or a really bad taste Anne Frank one.’
You knew the legendary shock comic Lenny Bruce. How much of an influence did he have on you?
‘He blew me away. He was an amazing comedian, actually talking about important things. There was such humanity about him. Once, when I was in a terrible act called “Jim, Jake and Joan”, Lenny came to see it. We bombed so hard that night that
I seriously thought about quitting comedy. But he sent me a note saying: “You’re right, they’re wrong.” I kept the note in my bra for six months.’
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You started out in the early ’60s working the clubs in Greenwich Village. What was that like?
‘Richard Pryor, George Carlin, Woody Allen, Bill Cosby, all of us were down there together. Bob Dylan was running around with a stupid scarf and never wore a coat, Simon and Garfunkel were wandering around with their dumb album “Sound of Silence” but no one would listen to the tapes. It was an amazing time. There was a great honour between us. We all watched each other’s acts. Monday night we were at the Duplex, Tuesday night we were at the Bitter End… everybody knew everybody. But
I was the only girl. I was the little college girl in a black dress who was playing strip joints!’
Your big break came on the ‘Tonight Show with Johnny Carson’…
‘I had been rejected by Carson seven or eight times over a year and a half. One night this other comic went on and bombed, and Bill Cosby, who was already a big star by that time, said: “You may as well put Joan Rivers on, she can’t be any worse than that guy.” So I got my chance, did my set and after it Carson said, on air: “You’re going to be a star,” and that was it, the next day my life changed.’
Why do you think you’ve been so successful for so long?
‘The thing is, I’m happiest when I’m on stage. Laurence Olivier once said to me: “I look out at the stage and it’s all mine. I own it.” When I walk on to a stage, it’s like that as well. Also there’s no memory lane in my act. If you’re a certain age and are coming to see my show for a bit of nostalgia, don’t. I’m still competitive. I still want to be the best. Put me up against Sarah Silverman and I could take her. ’
So what things are annoying you at the moment?
‘Jeez, where to start! I’m sick of Jennifer Aniston right now. Enough with the whining, get over it. I hate old people, I hate children. I think any celebrity that adopts a child from a third world country is a fool. The list goes on.’
You’ve had a pop at lots of celebrities over the years. Have any of them taken it personally?
‘Some have, but I’m not here to make friends. The ones that I like are the ones that get it. Like Cher, she was furious when I took her out of my act. When I was doing Elizabeth Taylor jokes, she sent me a message saying: “Tell Joan I don’t mind.” That’s a classy lady.’
You’re also very hard on yourself on stage.
‘I think you really have to not like yourself to be a good comedian. If you think you are great, why do you need to be funny?’
You’ve talked a lot about getting older in showbusiness. How has it affected you?
‘Comediennes are the lucky ones, because if you’re funny, you can be 125 years old and they will still accept you. It’s absolutely about what you are doing up there on stage in that moment. However, anyone that says looks don’t count is lying. Of course they do. Even babies go to the attractive face. It’s the way humans work.’
We head for the checkout having left no item in the entire shop unscrutinised. ‘Now where are those gifts I’m buying for your kid and girlfriend?’ she asks me. I protest, in vain. ‘Don’t be silly, see them as a wedding present.’ Now that really is one classy, funny and kind lady.
Joan Rivers – Unplugged and Uncensored is on at the Udderbelly, Southbank Centre, Wed May 27-Fri May 29.