Even though we could have stopped at the weather, we came up with 30 other reasons to settle this once and for all
By Time Out editors Thu May 15 2014
This is Santa Monica Beach. It looks like this in August, December, March—oh, and all those other months too.
Photograph: Jakob N. Layman
In an epic battle between New York and Los Angeles, which city comes out on top? Honestly, we don't usually give it much thought, but the editors over at Time Out New York suggested we go head to head, so we're bringin' out the big guns. This list will destroy New York's list. And let it be known that half our staff moved here from New York, so a) we know what we're talking about and b) we're living proof that the West Coast is the best coast.
1. We would just be bad Angelenos if the weather weren't first on our list. Listen: anyone who says nice days are better when you've earned them after enduring a long miserable winter is just delusional. Nice days are nice days, period. And we have them all the damn time. Do you miss the fall colors? Take a day trip and get a face-full of fall foliage. What is Christmas with no snow? Um, you can see snow in the mountains from the beach—and you can be up in said mountains in under two hours. Save the "no pain, no gain" attitude for that 10k you're training for. In February. On the beach path.
2. People actually smile here. Manners, ever heard of 'em?
3. Our tourist traps aren't traps. They're actually nice places that locals like to visit too, like the Hollywood Bowl, Malibu and the Griffith Observatory. New Yorkers are inexplicably proud when they can say they've never visited the Statue of Liberty (a majorly important site in our country's history)—and never would.
4. Which would you rather wake up to in the morning? Birds singing or cars honking?
5. New York's gratuitous getaway is Atlantic City, a sad attempt at hedonistic tourism. LA's is Las Vegas, which wrote the hedonism manual.
6. LA's natural beauty. We're used to hearing that our city is just one big quilted network of suburbs, and that may be true, but the threads that hold that quilt together are trees and fauna and green space. Palms line the streets, we have canyons and hills and mountains covered in waterfalls and native plants. We don't need to corral 95 percent of our city's nature into parks surrounded by an otherwise concrete jungle.
7. Two words: medical marijuana.
Mmmm...Mexican food. They don't make it like this in NYC.
Photograph: Jakob N. Layman
8. Mexican food. Do we really need to elaborate here? Just for good measure: whatever kind of Mexican food you're craving (tlayudas, caldo de mariscos Veracruz style, brunch time tamales made by someone you wish was your abuelita, jicama con limon y chamoy from a street cart, life-changing mole, tacos from a truck—seriously, whatever you want), it's here in Los Angeles, it's authentic and chances are, it's cheap.
9. You get more bang for your buck here, especially when it comes to living space. We don't have to pay an entire month's salary for an 8x10 "apartment" with our toilet in our entryway just to be in a cool neighborhood. We can also afford to live alone (read: no creepy Craigslist roommates) if we want to. And in addition to more square footage per dollar, most of LA apartments have plentiful storage, big windows (you know, for all the sun) and—eat your hearts out, New Yorkers—outdoor space.
10. We don't humble-brag about how hard we have it in a weak ploy to get respect (or sympathy). Our quality of life is good here, and we're pretty pleased about it.
11. Farmers markets. Bigger, better, more plentiful, more often, all year long.
The Sam Maloof House: just one house in a range of architectural options in LA.
Courtesy: Sam Maloof
12. When you live in a city that's still evolving and growing (as opposed to a city that is chronically built out and claustrophobic), you can have any lifestyle or living situation you want. A live/work loft in a historic industrial building Downtown? Got it. Midcentury-modern in a Mid-City fourplex? Got that too. Or maybe a studio on the beach that fits you and all your boards comfortably? No problem. Rustic cabin in the canyons where you can stargaze from your balcony? Italian villa next to a colonial mansion next to a Spanish bungalow? We might not be able to afford it, but we've got that too. It's all here in LA.
14. Cockroaches, bedbugs and rats? Not really a thing here. Enjoy your infestations (and pricey exterminations).
15. A shopping trip to Ikea/Target/any grocery store isn't a harrowing day-long event here. Our errands are stress- and crowd-free, much like the rest of our lives.
Movie screenings, live concerts, comedy and more happen here at the Santa Monica Pier.
Photograph: Courtesy Twilight Concerts
16. We've already rubbed in the fact that our weather is unmatched, but we also know how to take advantage of it. We spend a lot of time outdoors—eating, drinking, hiking, pool partying, watching movies, going to concerts—year-round. We don't have to run on a treadmill if we don't want to. Even our schools are indoor-outdoor. Lucky kids.
18. Maybe it's because we spend a lot of time in our cars, but radio rules here. We have three public stations boasting news, entertainment and cutting edge music. KCRW is widely known as one of the best NPR stations in the country, and is probably responsible for launching most of your favorite bands. And don't forget our college stations—KCSN, KXLU, KXSC—playing obscure gems, and uh, hello, 93.5 KDAY for back-in-the-day hip hop hits. Word to your mother.
19. We can go all year without turning on the heat or the air conditioning.
Giant art installation in the desert? Yep, we can be there in an hour.
Photograph: Joshua Thaisen
20. When New Yorkers get out of the city, it involves an escape plan. You need to find a car. You need to buy a ticket. You need to worry about weather. And you need to get the hell out, because you just can't take it anymore. When we leave LA, it's about having an adventure. Impulse trip to the desert? Beach day in San Diego? Wine tasting in Santa Barbara? We just go.
21. Though we may never pronounce Marina del Rey the same way after "The Californians," no one here actually talks like that. The Valley accent is just another overused (albeit funny) trope. At their best, we're annoyed by New York accents. At their worst, we wish we had subtitles (or better yet, a mute button).
22. Our sidewalks may be cracked, but they're not covered in rotting trash. And they don't smell like piss.
23. Personal space isn't a commodity here. Want to blast pump-up songs and sing along in your car on your way to work? Not so easy on the subway. Do you prefer a detached house to the thin, TMI walls you share with your neighbor? You don't need to cross state lines to find that here.
24. Movies are made here, and we're proud of it. Not only is "the industry" great for our city's economy, but it entertains and inspires the entire world.
25. Also, you're welcome for all that porn you watch.
26. When it comes to jazzy Jews, we've got New York beat by a landslide. Woody Allen? Consensual (maybe) but creepy (definitely). Jeff Goldblum? Timeless babe. They both play weekly live shows, but Woody's cheapest tickets are a whopping $110 a pop. Jeff offers up his musical stylings (and stylin' outfits, and little dances, and eccentric anecdotes) FOR FREE, every week, and sticks around post-show to mingle with the crowd.
27. We work to live. You live to work.
Juice. We're into it. It's delicious. Who cares?
Photograph: Jakob N. Layman
28. So maybe, true to stereotype, we are really into yoga and juice cleanses and staying fit. Go ahead and call that narcissism if you want, but we guarantee it's better than being cooped up in a city that prides itself on being stressed out. Looking better is nice, but feeling better is key.
29. Coachella may be a shitshow of idiots in neon and jorts, but those idiots come from all over the world to experience it. As far as music festivals go, it destroys Governor's Ball—which no one is traveling more than four hours to attend, please.
30. New York, you're so formal. We dress comfortably and casually to do almost anything. And then, bonus, it's all the more exciting and special when we do get fancy.
31. To borrow from our homegirls in the Valley: Whatever. We know New York has us beat on some things, and that's okay. Good for them. Thing is, they're usually too busy shitting on us to realize that we don't really care. We're pretty laid back, and confident in the fact that LA is an amazing city (see above). Now if you'll excuse us, we're heading to the beach.
Im from NY and after reading this i want to move to LA. Dont get me
wrong, I do love my city being born and raised here, but i also hate it!
its hard living here. My fathers rent is 2/3's his income! but then again i am from a lower middle class family
and it might not apply to everyone. But i just hate how other places
have so much more space than us for a cheaper price. they have nicer and
bigger homes, bigger closets, bathrooms and backyards. I am tired of the subway every morning going from
queens to the city everyday taking up a 1 hour of my life everyday.
seems nice, relaxed, calm, and healthy and they seem to enjoy life. I
dont want to spend my life working hard forever and stressing out. I
want to have time to enjoy and spend time with friends and family and
have a calm and also meaningful work life. I have friends from other
parts of the usa, and they complained that the people of NY are not as
friendly. And i guess its kind of true, each time i go out
of the state, people tend to be friendlier, and more genuine. NYC's sky
always seems greyish. so much pollution. La might be the same but there
is a sunny feeling to it right? Ive never been there, but ive seen it
in gta v ;)
What I like about NYC is that we do
have everything. Pretty much. we have a couple beaches, we have great
skyscrapers, we have broadway, brooklyn bridge, soho and coney
island and 1000's of restaurants, great museums, culture, great
diversity, people from all over the world, all 4 seasons which is a good thing! having fall is an amazing
feeling, Even snow in the winter is FINE, feels just right for me.
guess i just want a different experience. I am tired of NY, and the
relaxing sunny life in LA, and the cheaper cost of living, and healthy
lifestyle and space, and everything appeals to me. And also i think LA
chicks are much hotter than NY chicks. LA just looks beautiful to me. LA
is the type of place New Yorkers would go to for a vacation, and they
are lucky they have a place like that as a home, with its beautiful
beaches, mountains, beautiful people, Beverly hills, bigger homes.
i rather work extremely hard and be stressed out for a bulk of my life?
or would I rather live in a beautiful place, work moderately hard a
nice smooth 40 hour work week, and enjoy Life?
Im seriously considering moving to LA after im done with college!
This is a joke. L.A. is second-rate and always will be. I've lived in both cities and I'll take NYC any day. New York is a world class city and the only ones that can compare are other world class cities... London, Paris, Tokyo, Berlin, etc.. New York is truly international and LA is not. No one would even care about LA if it weren't for Hollywood. I think it's funny Angelinos are trying to compare because New Yorkers aren't.
YOU NEW YORK PEOPLE KILL ME WITH THE BOTOX COMMENTS! THIS IS HOLLYWOOD, YOU'LL SEE IT SOMETIMES, BUT BY NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM DO THE REAL PEOPLE IN LOS ANGELES MESS WITH OR CAN EVEN AFFORD THAT SHIT. WE ARE HARD WORKING LOS ANGELEIANS TRYING TO SUPPORT OURSELVES AND OUR FAMILIES. SO UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY BEEN TO THE HOOD, DON'T COMMENT BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. HOLLYWOOD IS HOLLYWOOD, LOS ANGELES IS LOS ANGELES!
How's a goin, I live in Ireland and have never been to either place which devastates me to my very core so just be happy where ur at, both amazing places so calm down have a drink and breathe, in Ireland we have a festival that involves looking at a goat on top of 80 foot of scaffolding, true story, u lucky so and sos don't know how good u have it lol, stay smiling u crazy yanks peace and love
1.Ok, you obviously win the “nicer weather”
argument.Congratulations.Let’s move on.
2.Is it actually called “smiling” when your face
is in a semi-permanent state of paralysis thanks to weekly injections of
botox? Or maybe you’re just squinting because
of all the goddamn sunshine. Either way…no
one here cares why you’re smiling and would prefer you stop looking at us
3.New Yorkers are proud to say they don’t set foot
in places like Times Square or Macy’s. Don’t
confuse those tourist traps with the Statue of Liberty, which many of us haven’t
visited but would never disrespect.
5.Um, pretty sure you just tried to argue that LA’s
(distant) proximity to another city-in another state-is a reason to love living
6.Actually the parks here make up 14% of NYC
(29,000 acres to be exact). That’s ok
though-math is hard. So is fact checking.
7.Necessary for treating all those glaucoma
8.I really can’t argue with you here. Mexican food is awesome and we don’t have
enough of it. Truth.
9.Yes, an apartment in SOHO might cost you an arm
and a leg without providing much space for the rest of your limbs, however, a
quick ride on the subway to Greenpoint or Long Island City and you and your appendages
can live with plenty of space (and a kickass view of the skyline)
point. You guys are pretty lazy. Don’t worry, no one is respecting you for it.
11.Yeah, ok. That’s probably true although NY also
has plenty of awesome farmers markets year-round that are supplemented by
amazing food halls and ethnic food stores. You want some spices for that guacamole or
just more avocados.
12.Really? Penthouse, beach house, brownstone,
loft, riverboat, sixplex, whatever. You
name it, we’ve got it.
14.Stop being so dramatic…that stuff rarely happens…
15.Again, not sure why you are bragging about your
proximity to massive commercial shopping (which New Yorkers typically try to
avoid). However, since you brought it
up, Brooklyn actually has both a Target and an Ikea which are easily accessed
via subway, ferry, bus, bicycle, taxi, Uber cab, or by walking on two feet.
16.See response #1.
17.Coney Island has WAY more personality than any
of those places and is WAY cheaper.
18.WNYC, NPR, and Spotify. That’s all you need.
19.See response #1.
20.Be honest…you just go…sit in traffic. Also, again, congratulations on your proximity
to OTHER cities.
21.No one cares.
22.Not ALL of the sidewalks are covered in trash
and only SOME of them smell like piss. And most of the time that smell is covered up
by the delicious smell of Hot Nuts.
23.Well I’m glad to see we are back to comparing issues
within our respective state lines. So
that’s a start. And, you know what, go
ahead, blast your music and sing as loud as you want, I’m sure your windows are
up and your A/C is on full speed anyway so it’s not like anyone can hear
you. In New York, we have headphones. And self-respect.
24.We also have movies…and theater, and dance, and
opera, and all that other cultured shit that drives the economy.
“Jazzy Jews” I’m not even going to respond to something so stupid. Actually, I will. Fuck you.
27.You already made your point. You’re lazy. We get it.
28.Trust me, we love all that bullshit just as much
as you. Heard of SoulCycle?
29.Coachella is a shitshow of idiots in neon and
jorts. Your words, not mine.
30.Well, to use your earlier weather argument
against you, dressing nicely 3 days per year isn’t more special just because
you’ve endured 362 days of sloppiness.
31.You got us there. We really enjoy shitting on LA
@Joshua D THAT'S NOT TRUE. I LOVE TO VISIT NEW YORK, BUT YA'LL AIN'T A FRIENDLY BUNCH AT ALL, ESPECIALLY IN MANHATTAN. IN LOS ANGELES, WE ARE VERY FRIENDLY, IF YOU TALK TO PEOPLE THEY TALK BACK. WE ARE A LAID BACK BUNCH OF FOLKS, NEW YORK YOU GUYS ARE CONSTANTLY UPTIGHT AND STRESSED OUT ABOUT EVERYTHING; THAT'S WHY YA'LL ARE ALCOHOLICS. IN LA, WE'RE BUD HEADS; YOU DO THE MATH.