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Time Out podcast: your city or mine?

Former Time Out Group CEO, Julio Bruno, talks to global thought-leaders about the innovations and ideas shaping our cities


What does the future of our cities look like? What trends are going to shape the way we live, eat, work and unwind? What political and social issues are going to impact the way we make connections, build communities and do business? And what’s next for the cultural industries that bring our cities to life?

In your city or mine?, Julio Bruno – former Time Out Group CEO – chats to the world’s most influential trendsetters, thought-leaders and policymakers about the stuff that’s shaping our cities.

UPDATE: we’re taking a break from recording new episodes of the your city or mine? podcast, but you can still listen to previous episodes below 👇

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Season 1, Episode 15 – Lord Michael Cashman, politician, writer and actor, on the neverending fight for equality; on defending trans rights; on the BBC’s ‘gay screen kiss’ controversy in the 1980s; and on the disaster of Brexit

In this final episode in the current season of your city or mine?, Julio meets Lord Michael Cashman, politician, writer and actor. First a child actor in the 1960s and 70s, Lord Cashman became famous (and stirred controversy) in the late 1980s in the UK when he played an openly gay man in the hugely popular soap EastEnders. He later co-founded Stonewall and became Britain’s first special envoy on LGBT issues. He became a MEP in 1999, a position he held for 15 years, and later left the Labour Party over his opposition to Brexit. He currently sits in the House of Lords – fiercely dedicated to equality – and has recently published a memoir, One of Them. Plus, Julio speaks to Michael Juliano, editor of Time Out Los Angeles, about the latest trends in the Californian city.

Season 1, Episode 14 – Thomas Heatherwick, Founder of Heatherwick Studio, on thinking of cities as gardens to grow people; on reimagining the classic London bus; and why lovable cities are more sustainable ones

In this episode of your city or mine?, Julio meets Thomas Heatherwick, the visionary founder of Heatherwick Studio and the design pioneer behind recent landmark projects including New York’s Little Island and London’s Coal Drops Yard. Heatherwick also redesigned the classic Routemaster red bus in London. Heatherwick’s passion is ‘how to make the world around us better’, meaning his designs are more than designs: they’re plans to improve the lives of everyone who uses them. Heatherwick also discusses designing an electric car that cleans the air and working on the 2012 Olympics – and avoiding designing an Olympic cauldron destined to collect pigeon droppings for decades. In Heatherwick’s world, the future is lovable and sustainable.

Season 1, Episode 13 – Ben Roberts, CEO of the British Film Institute, on Hollywood’s passion for the UK; the power of in-person movie-going; and securing a Covid quarantine exemption for Tom Cruise

In this episode of your city or mine?, Julio meets Ben Roberts, CEO of the British Film Institute – the government-backed body which champions the art, business and future of movies in the UK. Ben has been at the BFI since 2012, but he only took over as CEO in early 2020, just as Covid hit. Here, Ben talks about leading the BFI through the pandemic and discusses his vision for a thriving and diverse film culture in the UK. In this episode, Julio also talks to Phil de Semlyen, Global film editor of Time Out, about October’s BFI London Film Festival and which exciting upcoming films to look out for.

Season 1, Episode 12 – Nancy Pfund, founder and managing partner, DBL Partners, on the power of impact investing; being an early investor in Tesla; and how cities lead the way in sustainability

In this episode of your city or mine?, Julio meets Nancy Pfund, the founder and managing partner of impact investors DBL Partners. Nancy was an early pioneer in investing for social and environmental good and sits on the board of several influential companies - including Tesla, in which she was an early investor, smartly spotting its potential to disrupt and revolutionise the motor industry. Nancy lives in the Bay Area in California. In this episode, Julio also talks to Zach Long, editor of Time Out Chicago, about the latest trends in the Windy City.

Season 1, Episode 11 – Melanie Leach, CEO, South Shore Productions, on her passion for London (and why she’d ban cars); how popular TV can change lives; and why Channel 4 should never be privatised

In this episode of your city or mine? (and the first to be recorded in person!), Julio meets Melanie Leach, CEO and co-founder of South Shore Productions. Melanie is an award-winning British TV executive who has spent decades creating popular TV shows for the BBC, ITV, Netflix and others – including ‘The Real Marigold Hotel’, ‘Educating’ and ‘Hotel Inspector’. Here, Melanie talks about working in TV since she was a teenager; how streaming is changing viewing habits; why she hopes the government won’t privatise Channel 4; and how factual television can make a big difference to people’s lives.

Season 1, Episode 10 – Annastasia Seebohm, CEO, Brilliant Minds Foundation, on the power of meeting in person; having an English mind and Greek soul; and wanting to change the world

In this episode of your city or mine?, Julio meets Annastasia Seebohm, CEO of Brilliant Minds Foundation – co-founded by Spotify’s Daniel Ek to bring together the world’s most influential thought-leaders. Annastasia was previously the Group CEO of Quinessentially. Here, Annastasia talks about wanting to leave a mark on the world; being a young CEO; the cities she loves; what we can all learn from Sweden; and being a mentor to others. Plus, Julio speaks to Tatum Ancheta, editor of Time Out Hong Kong, about the latest trends in the city.

Season 1, Episode 9 – Brown Harris Stevens’s Bess Freedman on being a perpetual student; her romance with NYC; and how we can take our power and use it to help those who have less

In this episode of your city or mine?, Julio meets Bess Freedman, CEO of Brown Harris Stevens, one of the largest privately-owned real estate companies in the US. As the market recovers from the pandemic, Bess talks about how our housing needs have changed; about why Bill de Blasio has failed New York as its mayor and what’s needed next; about how we can all use our power to help others; and about why she’d like to give every single nurse and teacher in NYC a 25% raise. Plus, Julio speaks to Maria José Gómez, editor of Time Out Barcelona, about the latest trends in the city.

Season 1, Episode 8 – Sundance Film Festival’s Tabitha Jackson on the power of indie film; working with Robert Redford; and how Sundance dodged being called the Butch Film Festival

In this episode of your city or mine?, Julio meets Tabitha Jackson who since early 2020 has been the Director of the celebrated annual Sundance Film Festival in Utah. As the festival’s offshoot Sundance London returns to Europe this summer, Tabitha talks about her love for London; about how streaming services are changing the world (often for the better); about reimagining a festival during Covid; and about her previous career as a producer of films and TV. Plus Julio speaks to Vera Moura, editor of Time Out Lisbon about the latest trends in the city.

Season 1, Episode 7 – Sydney’s Deputy Lord Mayor Jess Scully on designing cities for everyone; giving young people a true voice; and her passion for cycling, culture and nightlife

In this episode of your city or mine?, Julio meets Jess Scully, the Deputy Lord Mayor of Sydney who since 2019 has gained a well-earned reputation for wanting to shake things up and create a future city designed for everyone – not just the few. Raised in Sydney, but with experience of living in many places around the world, and with a celebrated background in cultural curation, Jess tells us why she wants to bring the best of Bangkok, London, Tokyo, Berlin, Amsterdam and elsewhere to her hometown. Plus Julio speaks to Maxim Boon, editor of Time Out Sydney about the latest trends in the city.

Season 1, Episode 6 – visionary architect Kunlé Adeyemi on designing cities for climate change, why Africa is ‘more developing’ and meeting the challenge of rising waters head-on

In this episode of your city or mine?, Julio meets Kunlé Adeyemi, the brilliant Nigerian architect, academic and entrepreneur. Based in both Lagos and Amsterdam, Kunlé is the founder of the architecture firm NLÉ which meets the huge challenges of climate change in imagining cities of the future. Kunlé tells Julio why his city is Lagos; how Kigali in Rwanda has clamped down on plastic and could even be considered ‘heaven’; and why we all need to rethink how we live in a time of rising waters and rapid urbanisation. Plus Julio speaks to Virginia Gil, editor of Time Out Miami about the latest trends in the city.

Season 1, Episode 5 – Anthony Scaramucci on working for Donald Trump, how the Republican Party is ‘dying’ and why he can’t wait for the current NYC Mayor to leave office

In this episode of your city or mine?, Julio meets Anthony Scaramucci, founder and managing partner of SkyBridge Capital, author, financier, former White House Communications Director and more. Anthony tells Julio about his Italian-American upbringing in Long Island; why working for Trump (very briefly) in 2017 was a ‘mistake’ and what he thinks of Trump now; why he thinks the Republican Party is doomed; why he can’t stand current NYC Mayor Bill de Blasio; and why he’s a big fan of Bitcoin.

Season 1, Episode 4 – EatOkra founders Anthony & Janique Edwards on how 2020 and the Black Lives Matter movement took their mission to spotlight Black-owned business to a new level

New Yorkers Anthony & Janique Edwards met on Tinder before marrying and founding the EatOkra app in 2016 as a way of supporting the Black community and celebrating Black-owned food and drink businesses. But it was the events of 2020, and the focus of the Black Lives Matter movement following the murder of George Floyd, that gave new energy and purpose to their mission. Here, Anthony & Janique tell Julio about turning a passion into a business, and why New York is the city they love. Plus, Julio speaks to Time Out New York editor Will Gleason about the latest trends in the city – including the return of roller-skating!

Season 1, Episode 3 – Lord Stuart Rose on being driven by ‘imposter syndrome’, the lessons he’s learned from five decades in retail and why Brexiteers will be ‘sending me hate mail’

In this new episode of your city or mine?, Julio meets Lord Stuart Rose, a prominent British businessman who has worked in retail since the 1970s when he joined Marks and Spencer as a management trainee and later became its CEO and Chairman. Stuart was also CEO of Argos and Booker PLC, and until recently was Chairman of Ocado. He is currently Chairman of EG Group, Zenith and MAF Retail and is a board member of Time Out Group PLC. Stuart tells Julio how his childhood in Tanzania in the 1950s and '60s made him a citizen of the world; how he’s driven by imposter syndrome; how he believes the UK will one day return to a future Europe; and why he knows cities will never stop being hubs of culture and social life.

Season 1, Episode 2 – Philip Knatchbull on releasing Oscar-winner ‘Parasite’, his passion for London, and why ‘the virus is still in control’

In this second episode of your city or mine?, Julio meets Philip Knatchbull, the CEO of Curzon Cinemas, a much-loved entertainment brand famous for its stylish cinemas and its streaming platform dedicated to indie films and filmmakers from all over the world. Philip shares how he caught the film bug from his father, a film producer; how he had a vision for combining physical and virtual film-going; and how the pandemic has accelerated so many exciting changes in people’s relationships with culture and their cities.

Season 1, Episode 1 – Paul Carrick Brunson on working with Oprah, Time Out Market Lisbon, and Kingston, Jamaica

In the inaugural episode of your city or mine?, Julio meets Paul Carrick Brunson, a serial entrepreneur, television host and columnist whose specialty lies in teaching others. Julio and Paul discuss Paul’s career path, how he made it in television after a foray into investment banking, how he got to work with Oprah Winfrey, his passion for teaching and why he is 150 years old… Julio and Paul also reveal the inspiring story of how they met (listen to find out!), and why, for Paul, the city to which he’ll always feel most attached is Kingston, Jamaica.

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Season 2, Episode 5 – Julio Bruno and Michael Rodrigues on Time Out and the 24-hour economy

Mike will soon depart Time Out to take up the role of inaugural 24 Hour Economy Commissioner for the State of NSW. In an exit interview with a difference, his current boss and Time Out Global CEO, Julio Bruno, talks to him about some of the challenges inherent with his new job, and the opportunities for Sydney and NSW as a result. They reflect on changes to the media landscape in Australia since Mike launched Time Out in Sydney in 2007, as well as Facebook's recent decision to block publishers from its platform.

Season 2, Episode 4 – Lucinda Hartley on the 11 ways cities are changing from Covid-19

Neighbourlytics is a Melbourne-based data business that is fast developing a global reputation amongst city makers. Lucinda Hartley and her team use on-demand data from multiple digital sources to synthesise in real time how people are using neighbourhoods and their city. In this episode, Mike asks Lucinda what the data is telling us now when it comes to how cities are changing. From walkable neighbourhoods to access to nature to less red tape, these changes are happening now and likely to be permanent.

Season 2, Episode 3 – David Harding on the future of city centres

Does Covid mean that no one ever works in an office again, or will things go back more or less to the way they were? If you're in the business of getting people to go out, the answer to this question is fundamental to your business model. In this episode, Mike asks David Harding for his perspective on the question. Harding is NSW and ACT business leader for Arup, a global design, engineering and architecture firm that specialises in the built environment.

Season 2, Episode 2 – Tim Philips-Johansson on Rhubi and creative hospitality

Tim Philips-Johansson is global bartending and liquor-industry royalty, having won the Diageo World Class Cocktail crown back in 2012 and opened renowned Sydney venues Bulletin Place and Dead Ringer. On the road to bar industry recovery, Tim talks to Mike about the importance of revenue diversification, developing and retaining millennial and Gen Z talent, and reconsidering consumer choice. Also under discussion is Tim's innovative new liquor brand Rhubi, which celebrates the joy of rhubarb in the style of a French mistelle.

Season 2, Episode 1 – Luke Butler on recruiting for hospitality

While technology has become an indispensable part of the going-out experience these days, the sector will forever be one that is based primarily on human interaction. In this episode of the Time Out for Business podcast Mike speaks to Luke Butler of Hastings People, a leading hospitality and leisure segment recruitment business, to get the lowdown on the state of the employment market currently, the medium-term impact of Covid on talent supply, and the opportunity for positive culture to be leveraged by the sector as a recruitment tool.

Season 1, Episode 19 – Dominic Knight on the year the world turned to sh*t

The latest book by Australian novelist and comedy writer Dom Knight is the 2020 Dictionary: The Definitive Guide to the Year the World Turned to Shit – a tongue-in-cheek summary of the lingo that we’ve picked up as a community during the pandemic. In the final episode of the Time Out for Business podcast for 2020, Mike uses Dom’s satirical dictionary as a filter across the many guests and discussions he has had throughout the year, reflecting (with a good dose of humour) on some of the common themes that have emerged.

Season 1, Episode 18 – Deputy Lord Mayor Jess Scully on real ideas for a fairer world

Deputy Lord Mayor of Sydney, Jess Scully, is the author of Glimpses of Utopia: Real Ideas for a Fairer World, a book in which she profiles people everywhere who are rising up to confront our global challenges. With the pandemic seemingly under control within our borders and the natural optimism the festive season brings, Mike speaks to Jess to find out where Time Out might focus some of its attention in 2021 to create positive social change.

Season 1, Episode 17 – Pedestrian's Vanessa Lawrence and Mumbrella's Tim Burrowes

At the recent Mumbrella Publish Awards, Time Out and Pedestrian between them took home five awards as well as two High Commendations. In this special round table episode, Tim Burrowes, founder and editor at large of Mumbrella, joins Mike and Vanessa Lawrence, publisher from Pedestrian Group, for a frank discussion about audience behaviours and trends and the implications and opportunities for advertisers. The episode is recommended for business leaders and marketing professionals that are working hard to keep up with Covid-catalysed shifts in audience behaviour.

Season 1, Episode 16 – NSW Minister Stuart Ayres on the 24 Hour Economy Strategy

Pre-Covid, the NSW Treasury began work on a 24 Hour Economy Strategy. The lockout was its genesis, but its evolution has been shaped by the pandemic. The minister responsible for development of the strategy is the Honourable Stuart Ayres, Minister for Jobs, Investment, Tourism and Western Sydney. The Minister explains to Mike how the strategy sits very much as a core pillar of Sydney's, and therefore Australia's, overall economic recovery – a plan for our times.

Season 1, Episode 15 – Meet the mayors of Australia's coolest suburbs

In late October, Time Out Global published its list of the 40 coolest suburbs in the world. Australia landed two in the top ten, with Melbourne's Yarraville in fifth place and Sydney's Marrickville in tenth. What makes these locales so special, and what has been the impact of Covid? In this episode, Mike chats with Councillor Sarah Carter, who was the Mayor of Maribyrnong in 2020, the council district home to Yarraville, then catches up with Darcy Byrne, Mayor of the Inner West Council, home to Marrickville. He also invites Time Out Australia editorial director Cass Knowlton to explain what the coolest suburb exercise tells us about our audience.

Season 1, Episode 14 – Michael Kill on UK lockdowns and the night-time economy

Michael Kill is the CEO of the Night Time Industries Association in the UK, which is years ahead of Australia when it comes to unlocking night-time economies. With NSW having recently published its 24 Hour Economy Strategy, and Victoria just coming out of lockdown and eager to make up for lost time, Kill offers some perspectives on implementing a strategy, Covid-catalysed innovations in Europe, and the stark implications of the UK's second hard lockdown.

Season 1, Episode 13 – James Wilkinson on the travel industry’s comeback

We well know that the travel sector was the first to be hit by the pandemic and likely to be the last sector to emerge from it. But arriving on those first flights from New Zealand has also been a glimmer of hope. One of Australia’s top travel experts, James Wilkinson, talks about airline recovery, the immediate future for hotels, and the ways New South Wales might be able to help our regional neighbours get back on their feet. Leading hotel lawyer Robbie Williams (no relation) also joins the chat to chime in about the medium to long-term implications for the hotel development sector.

Season 1, Episode 12 – Wesley Enoch on Sydney Festival

After the year they've had, Sydney audiences are looking forward to their annual summer festival of theatre and arts – but what will it look like? And what changes might remain for Sydney Festival post-pandemic? Mike interviews artistic director Wesley Enoch, three months out from his fifth and final program. With international acts off the menu, Enoch talks about the gems he has uncovered locally, as well as Indigenous storytelling at a point in Australian history when interest in it has never been greater.

Season 1, Episode 11 – Julian Morrow and Bec Annetts on Giant Dwarf

Giant Dwarf is a small theatre operation with a large impact, playing a vital role in creating pathways for creatives. Rent pressures forced them to relocate right before Covid hit, and now, under physical distancing, their continued operation faces major hurdles. Founder Julian Morrow and MD Bec Annetts join Mike on the podcast to discuss the challenges of the independent theatre scene, and what places like Giant Dwarf bring to the cultural life of a city. “There’s nothing like the vibe in a room when something amazing is happening,” says Morrow, “and I’ve seen that in lots of different shows at Giant Dwarf.”

Season 1, Episode Ten – The Marys Group on ketchup, culture and Covid

While most famous for their burgers, Jake Smyth and Kenny Graham are at the forefront of Sydney’s counterculture – their venues provide a showcase for many of the city’s artists and musicians. Six months to the day since Covid ground zero, Mike checks in with Jake and Kenny to see how they and their enterprises are faring. Marys is a mid-scale hospitality business that champions live entertainment, so its health is a good barometer for the future cultural health of Sydney. If they can find a way through, then others can too.

Season 1, Episode Nine – Dr Caroline Butler-Bowdon on fighting for green urban spaces

The importance of access to public spaces has been thrown into sharp relief by Melbourne’s lengthy lockdown. Who knew that we’d come to value so highly the ability to simply sit in a park, let alone sit in a park with other people? Dr Caroline Butler-Bowdon is the executive director for public spaces in the NSW Department of Planning, Industry and Environment. In this episode, she talks about the state government’s ambition to dramatically increase the proportion of homes in urban areas that are within ten minutes’ walk of quality, green, open and public space – essential for mental and bodily health now more than ever.

Season 1, Episode Eight – Michael Rodrigues and James Hulme on Sydney's 24-hour economy strategy

On Monday September 14, the NSW Government released its 24-Hour Economy Strategy – something industry leaders have been working towards since lockout was implemented back in 2014. To talk through the implications of this brand new chapter for NSW, Mike jumps into the guest seat in his capacity as chair of the Night Time Industries Association, to be interviewed by University of NSW Emeritus Professor Ross Harley. Joining Mike and Ross for the interview is the Committee for Sydney's Director of Advocacy, James Hulme.

Season 1, Episode Seven – Toby Schmitz on an actor's life during pandemic

Toby Schmitz is one of Australia's most accomplished thespians. He has starred in productions for Sydney Theatre Company, Belvoir and Griffin, played Hamlet, and acted on Broadway. But what happens to a stage star when the theatres go dark? In a follow-up to episode four's discussion of livestreamed theatre, Schmitz talks to Mike about performing a one-man show in an empty venue for nine cameras and a global live audience. "I don't know what a theatre company is without an actor, other than just a building that you pay Sydney rent on,” Schmitz notes. "But I do know what an actor is without a theatre – they are still an actor'.”

Season 1, Episode Six – Salvatore Malatesta on the ultimate café pivot

Salvatore Malatesta sits atop St Ali, a Melbourne coffee institution. Hit hard by the pandemic, Sal was able to pivot into sanitisers, face masks and a general store – with remarkable success. He talks to Mike about creativity and risk, and how he created new market opportunities by leveraging his team, his existing brand, and the distribution, sales and marketing functions of his business. He also talks about the value of 'friendship equity' acquired over years of business operation.

Season 1, Episode Five – Time Out editors on reaching audiences in and out

The challenge for industry during Covid is connecting with our audiences: understanding what they are doing, and how they are feeling. With Melbourne in lockdown and Sydney looking on uneasily, Mike interviews Time In Melbourne editor Rebecca Russo and Time Out Sydney editor Maxim Boon – on the tussle between staying in and going out; the differences in audience behaviour during Melbourne’s two lockdowns; and what future trends may be.

Season 1, Episode Four – Andy Henry on audacious theatre for crazy times

“I wanted it to be an international news story, and it was.” When Andy Henry, artistic director of small independent Sydney theatre company Red Line Productions, had to cancel his 2020 season, he had the groundbreaking idea of an international live-streamed play reading – and somehow got Alec Baldwin to star in it. In an inspirational interview, he tells Mike how smart entrepreneurship can help the arts reach an audience more hungry for connection than ever.

Season 1, Episode Three – Jess Miller on the opportunities of Covid for cities

“I take a little bit of delight in the mess,” confesses Sydney city councillor Jess Miller. “Because I see it as an opportunity to make things better.” A former Deputy Lord Mayor of Sydney, Jess is famous for her creative approaches to sustainability, strategy and innovation. In a wide-ranging chat, she talks to Mike about the unique chance posed by the pandemic to improve our cities – from transport, supply chains and the use of public space to reimagining neighbourhoods and re-empowering citizens.

Season 1, Episode Two – Josh Pyke on keeping the music going

In March, Josh Pyke was poised to launch his first album in five years, Rome, with a sold-out live tour. Like every other performing arts professional in Australia, he swiftly had to find different ways to reach his audience. The popular singer-songwriter explains to Mike how he was able to re-engage his fanbase online, and what the next few months might bring for artists who make a living through live performance.

Season 1, Episode One – Pasan Wijesena on bottled cocktails

Are bottled cocktails a viable way for bars to make money in the age of Covid? And what is their future now that restrictions are lifting? To try to answer those questions Mike talks to Pasan Wijesena, owner-founder of Sydney bars Earl’s Juke Joint and Jacoby's, whose pivot to takeaway and delivered cocktails has helped keep his business ticking over during the lean months of lockdown.