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It's been eight years since you delivered a novel. Have you been writing your new book, The Marriage Plot, during all that time?
The Marriage Plot grew out of another novel, about a family having a debutante party. The family had many children; and one of them was Madeleine, and Madeleine had a boyfriend who was manic-depressive. There was a boy named Mitchell who was coming to the party who had feelings for Madeleine. As I was writing the book, I kept writing page after page of Madeleine's story. I knew that I had a young woman reading semiotic theory and trying to deconstruct love at the same time that she was falling in love. It was really with those ideas that the book began.
Did the experience of winning the Pulitzer for Middlesex affect the way that you worked?
No, it didn't. It feels very much the same as when I was a young and unpublished writer, or after my first book or my second. The same difficulties, the same excitement, the same interest.
Do people often ask you if your work is biographical, or how much of it is?
They ask every writer that. The main thing people seem to ask novelists is what was real, or what part of their life is in the book, which is kind of odd, because novelists write fiction because they're obviously interested in inventing stories that aren't autobiographical. [Laughs] But of course, in order to do that, you have to bring elements of perhaps your own life into the story in order to make it seem real. They asked me about Middlesex, where the story is obviously extravagant and not likely to be my autobiographical novel. With this book, they're asking it again, and I think they have more reason to. It's a realistic story about three kids who went to Brown, and I went to Brown.
You also spent a year traveling in India, as did Mitchell, one of the main characters. Did you come to some of the same conclusions he did in your travels?
I'm not really interested in the conclusions I came to, I'm interested in his, so I can discuss him. I'd prefer to be behind the scenes.
Madeleine is at the center of a highly emotional love triangle. You wrote her as if you knew her intimately, almost as if you were her. What's your secret to channeling the female perspective?
I start from the premise that the female and male experience are not mutually exclusive, that many things a female character would feel, a male character would also feel. It's impossible to say I need to find out about women to write about women's characters, because there are so many different types of women. I'm just writing about one woman, and she's like this. I think about women I've known and try to put a lot of women together in one character and create a woman, but I'm trying to do it like I'm acting the part. Like in Shakespeare's day, when all the roles were played by men.
The Marriage Plot is set in the early '80s. Do you consider it an antiquated love story, since the characters aren't dealing with all the technology we have distracting us from and connecting us to the people we love?
I don't think that it's an antiquated love story, because I think emotionally, everything that the characters go through, people who are 20 years old are going through. The technological difference is not really so crucial to the experience of college love and young love. It must make romance different now in terms of how you proceed and how you flirt, but I don't think that in essence it's changed at all. Boyfriends are still a pain.
The book is broken into sections instead of chapters, and you've given each of them interesting titles, like "Mad Men in Love," "Brilliant Moves" and "Sometimes They Were Very Sad." How and why you did you decide to structure it this way?
I wrote the book very much aware that it was going to have shifts in perspective. I guess "Mad Men in Love" is mainly Madeleine, but it goes between Madeleine and Mitchell. In the next section, with "Brilliant Moves," I wanted to go into Leonard's head. Often, I'm enacting a major shift in point of view. "Sometimes They Were Very Sad" comes from Ludwig Bemelmans's Madeline, which is a theme throughout the book.
It seems as if the entire novel is summarized in my favorite passage: "The solitude was extreme because it wasn't physical. It was extreme because you felt it while you were in the company of the person you loved. It was extreme because it was in your head, the most solitary of places."
I agree with you. Rather than to try to write a traditional marriage plot in the way of Jane Austen, I was trying to see how the marriage plot functions today, when so many things have changed, when women's lives have changed so much. The conclusion I came to was that the marriage plot now plays out in Madeleine's head. We no longer live under the social constrictions that people lived under in the 19th century, but we still have these expectations about love, and finding that one true love.
The Marriage Plot is out now.