If you were totally obsessed by FX’s The People v. O.J. Simpson this year, then you are already familiar with Jeffrey Toobin’s work; the hit melodrama was informed by his meticulously researched The Run of His Life. He’s also composed best-selling tomes about the Supreme Court, which is very hot right now (see: NPR’s More Perfect podcast, your Facebook feed full of RBG memes). His newest book tackles a salacious-albeit-brief moment in California history: the kidnapping and subsequent brainwashing of heiress Patty Hearst. Catch him here in conversation with Salon founder David Talbot.