Jean-Michel Jarre
Jean-Michel Jarre

The New Normal interview series: A turning point for culture?

Musical icon Jean-Michel Jarre on how the current crisis could trigger positive change in the creative industries. By Marcus Webb

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Time Out Tokyo Editors
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The ongoing Covid-19 coronavirus pandemic is changing our world in unprecedented ways. In this new series of conversations with movers and shakers from both Japan and elsewhere, we’re taking a look at how the pandemic is already transforming city life and what changes are still on the horizon. Hoping to find out what’s to come for society, daily life and the environment, and eager to hear how urban space will accommodate and leverage the ‘new normal’, we’ve lined up interviews with experts from a wide range of fields.

In this instalment of The New Normal, musical pioneer and Unesco goodwill ambassador Jean-Michel Jarre talks to Original Inc.'s executive officer and senior consultant Masashi Takahashi about the challenges posed to artists by Covid-19 – and how the pandemic could change the creative industries for the better. In April, Jarre appeared in the inaugural ResiliArt debate organised by Unesco, a series of conversations with major cultural figures about the state of the creative industries during and after the Covid-19 pandemic.

This is part of the New Normal interview series. For the list of features, click here.

Masashi Takahashi: Thanks for giving us this opportunity Jean-Michel. We paid careful attention to your Unesco ResiliArt debate on April 15, and were impressed by what you said.

Can you summarise your thoughts about the effects of the pandemic on culture – and suggest some ways forward?


Jean-Michel Jarre: Half of the planet has been in confinement, in isolation – and we did two things. We went out for food and healthcare, and we listened to music, we watched movies and we read books. Culture became as important for minds and souls as food… We became more aware of our respect for doctors and nurses. [But] we should also respect our relationship with culture in general more.

With the development of the internet, we suddenly took culture for granted. [We thought] that culture should be as free as the air we are breathing. And the big giants of the internet were making money because of the virus in a sense, by providing content created by authors and creators who are in dire straits and great difficulties.

The good thing would be to take advantage of this crisis, to think about how to create and invent a new economy for culture and to realise that if we don’t do anything, probably fifty percent of culture worldwide may disappear. It’s even truer for emerging countries in Africa, South America or South Asia where artists are even more vulnerable. This is a global issue.

We can’t expect that governments will solve everything... We have to find other ways, probably first of all with the artists, the creators, our job is to be creative so in these moments we have to think differently.

It’s a little bit like after a war. After each war, you have people thinking differently. You could take the example of Japan. After the Second World War when the country was in a very tragic and dark state, suddenly you had a new generation of artists thinking differently. It gave us Butoh, it gave us artists such as Mishima and Kurosawa, suddenly all these artists were taking advantage of the tragedy of war to try to express themselves in a different way. Fortunately our days are not as dark as those, but it’s just an example to see that after a crisis, there is sometimes a window to try to change our perspectives.

This is something that we should also address to the internet platforms. We should really think about asking them in a very firm way, maybe through governments, for a special tax, a special contribution for helping artists. All these platforms are making billions of dollars on our content, they should [contribute] because solidarity and righteousness is also their duty. 

But to go back to the idea of trying to be creative, I would give you two examples. One is from a very small country, Cape Verde. During the crisis they suddenly created a system where you had paid concerts on the internet from DJs and musicians. It’s a very good example of how to monetize our creativity in the digital age.

Another example is something I’ve been thinking about for quite a while and I’ve talked about it for quite a few years since I was elected president of CISAC (the International Confederation of Societies of Authors and Composers), when copyright and the idea of intellectual property was really being questioned. Instead of trying to cancel the idea of intellectual property and the concept of copyright, why not go the other way around?

What if, after a certain number of years, instead of having music or movies going into the public domain, the rights went into a global fund to help creators and new generations of authors? In Europe, for instance, the national anthem is ‘Ode to Joy’ from Beethoven’s Ninth Symphony. Each time this piece of music is played, the rights could go to help European artists. 

This would help contribute to adjusting the absolutely unfair situation of authors these days because as we know with Covid-19, suddenly activity has stopped not only for artists, but for technicians, for festivals, for museums, for shooting movies and so on and so forth.

MT: What changes do we need to make and what’s your vision of how we set about making them?

J-MJ: First of all, the media has a very important crucial role to play because I think now that civil society is ready to understand what we are talking about. Before, it was abstract, it was in people’s minds in a quite perverse or unconscious way, the fact that culture should not cost anything. As though we were forgetting that authors and creators need a decent living like anybody else in the world.

There is a moment before human beings go back to their old addictions to make everybody aware that we have to change… the way we consider culture and the way that we should pay for a movie, a piece of music or a book. Culture has huge value, it’s not like buying yoghurt or toothpaste, it’s something that defines our identity as a country.

I have a great link with Japan, I love your country and I’ve been there a lot of times and I remember in the 80s that total crazy creativity in fashion, in movies and in manufacturing objects, electronic music, synthesizers and in lots of different directions. And that was really coming not from the government, it was coming from the streets and from people who wanted to express themselves, who wanted to create the modern image of the Japanese community, the essence.

We have to take all these examples as a model for the 21st century, for now. So when you’re asking what we should do after Covid-19, we should try to change our relationship with our environment, our relationship with our community and also our relationship with culture. Democracy needs culture. That is why dictatorship has always stifled it.

To preserve culture, we have to create a kind of regulation for it in the digital age and I think that's something that has to come from the people and from the young generation.

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MT: What message would you send to the Japanese people who are looking forward to the Olympic games, now postponed for a year due to Covid-19? The games are not just a festival of sport but also of music and culture... 

J-MJ: When the Olympics was created, it was actually to promote the value of participation, the value of celebrating mankind in the widest sense of the word. Of course it is costing a lot to postpone by one year, but in a sense it could be a blessing, because we could take advantage of the Covid-19 moment.

My message to my Japanese friends, and the Japanese community, is to really try to take the opportunity of the Olympics… to send a message, to integrate culture in a very generous way… and to celebrate beyond sports, just what are the most important values for human beings – and of course culture is one of the centres of that… There is an opportunity now for Japan to take the kind of leadership for these matters.

The Olympics next year will be received by the world in a very special way, so I think this is the moment to deliver this message.

MT: Many Japanese including me believe that culture is essential to peace and prosperity. Unesco was the first international organisation that Japan joined after the Second World War, and I believe that culture will play a vital role in surviving and overcoming Covid-19.

Is there a role for Japan in the ResiliArt movement?

Of course! There is an opportunity for Japan to take the leadership in these matters for different reasons. First, because you have lots of attention on Japan with the Olympics, so there is a moment to use this in a very pragmatic way. Secondly, Japan is admired all over the world, because of what has been achieved in your country since the Second World War. People feel that Japan is different, Japan has a fantastic commitment to life in a sense and to survival and I think that there is a voice coming from Japan that will be heard and will have lots of influence 

So, there is an opportunity for Japan to use this strength, these talents and this kindness you have, to promote these values in a different way.

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Jean-Michel Jarre

Jean-Michel Jarre
Musician and cultural ambassador

Known as the ‘Godfather of Electronic Music’, Jean-Michel Jarre has revolutionised culture the world over. His debut album, ‘Oxygene’ – released in 1976 – has sold over 18 million copies and in 1997 he played to a record 3.5 million people in Moscow. He was the first Western musician to perform in communist China and performed an iconic concert in front of the great pyramids of Cairo at the turn of the millennium. In 1993 he was named a UNESCO Goodwill Ambassador and he continues to use his platform to discuss environmental issues, the importance of education and the power of culture to change things for the better.

Masashi Takahashi

Masashi Takahashi
Senior consultant, Time Out Tokyo/Original Inc

Masashi Takahashi joined the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in 1989. As a diplomat, his duties included promoting Japanese culture and supporting Japanese companies in countries such as Papua New Guinea and Germany. From 2009, he handled policies concerning foreign residents and inbound tourism, helping to encourage visitors by amending tourist visa requirements and working on policies related to medical tourism. In 2014, he began working on UNESCO matters, helping to register several World Heritage and World Natural Heritage sites as well as protecting and promoting Intangible Cultural Heritage elements in Japan. In 2020, he started working as an advisor for the executive committee of the Munakata Eco-100 International Symposium, as well as for the cultural tourism promotion committee of Iwami, Shimane prefecture.

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