October kids' events
Symphony Space's "Just Kidding" series is back, and the October lineup has something for everyone in your crew. It starts with Oran Etkin and Timbalooloo (Oct 5 at 11am), a jazz clarinetist and educator who will perform songs from his new album Finding Friends Far from Home: A Journey with Clara Net. Then Joanie Leeds and the Nightlights (Oct 12 at 11am) will perform songs about urgent subjects like sunglasses at the beach, goodnight hugs and popcorn popping. Next is the Remarkable Renaldo (Oct 19 at 11am), a world-class clown and one-man circus who promises to astonish the audience. Finally, the National Dance Institute's Celebration Team (Oct 26 at 2pm) will wow the crowd with a high-energy show performed by dancers aged 9-15: Be there for when the kids will take the stage!
On the second Saturday of every month, the Swiss Institute holds Family Hours from 10am-11:30am and becomes a families-only scene. Never mind that it's really Family Ninety Minutes: you and yours have the run of the place during this time. Children are invited to take part in hands-on activities led by an artist, and you're free to wander the galleries of the recently-opened modernist jewel box of a building—the midcentury structure was renovated by Seldorf Architects. How nice to chat about art without the worry of disturbing your more grownup neighbors. Free. Ages 4-12.
Playtime, Metrograph's series of family-friendly Saturday matinees, kicks off this weekend with The Little Princess (1995)—the beautiful and haunting film was directed by a young Alfonso Cuarón long before he took on the Harry Potter franchise, or won an Academy Award for "Roma" (2018). In other words, Playtime is for the budding cineaste in your life. It's win-win. You get to watch good films in a fantastic venue, while your little one is exposed to terrific movies and won't be shhh'd by your neighbors. Upcoming movies include City Lights (1931), The Black Stallion (1979), The Iron Giant (1999) and the original King Kong (1933)—check Metrograph for full listings. The series wraps up on Nov 2.
This family-friendly performance and Halloween fun from the American Ballet Theater is now an annual fall tradition. The whole gang is encouraged to wear costumes strike a pose at the "Costume Catwalk," visit the "Dance Shoe Petting Zoo" and of course, trick or treat both before the show and during intermission. The program this year includes Twyla Tharp's "Deuce Coupe," which is set to music by The Beach Boys. All tickets are half-priced for children—to get the discount you must go to the box office in person or call 212-496-0600. Ages 6 and up.
The armor of Emperor Maximilian I, who ruled the Holy Roman Empire until 1519, was made for battle, and for showing off—just look at that lacy metalwork and exquisite details. There are over 180 items are in the exhibit, including the childhood armor of Maximilian's son, the future Philip I, King of Castile: This knight at the museum is sure to get the imaginations of your young ones racing. Mark your calendar for a special family afternoon on Nov 10 from 1pm–4pm that will include story time, a shadow puppet performance by Caroline Borderies and a chance for your young knights to embellish their custom armor. All Ages.
The NYC theater scene is gearing up for a kid-friendly lineup. During the 2019-2020 season at the New Victory Theater, families will be able to hang with their favorite picture-book fishes, listen to Aesop's fables and much more. The schedule, which is available on the theater's website, is as follows: The Pout-Pout Fish: Oct 12–20 for ages 4–7 Aesop's Fables: Nov 1–2 for ages 7 and up RE:PLAY: Nov 15–Dec 1 for ages 6 and up 42 FT–A Menagerie of Mechanical Marvels: Dec 6–Jan 5 for ages 5 and up Cartography: Jan 10–19 for ages 10 and up Riddle of the Trilobites: Feb 7–23 for ages 6 and up Drumfolk: Feb 28–Mar 15 for ages 7 and up Treasure Island: Mar 20–29 for ages 8 and up Magic Shadows: Apr 3–19 for ages 5 and up Snow White: Apr 24–May 4 for ages 7 and up Jabberbabble: May 9–17 for ages 4–7 Fierce 5: May 30–June 14 for ages 9 and up
Halloween is about to get a whole lot sweeter! If you can't quite figure out which houses to hit with your little ghouls and goblins, take your family's trick-or-treating festivities to Dumbo this year. The 21 eateries at Time Out Market New York, including Clinton St. Baking Co. and Juilana’s, will host a fun trick-or-treating experience for NYC kiddos. Those with a sweet tooth will love munching on each vendor's themed offerings (for example, you'll find Thai sweets at Fish Cheeks). Make sure the youngsters are decked out in their costumes and stick around for dinner after the fun wraps up. All ages.
This shadow puppet performance is Tom Lee's adaptation of the Tomten, a folkloric Swedish tale adapted by Astrid Lindgren, the author of Pipi Longstocking. It tells the tale of a quiet gnome who watches over animals and humans alike on a cold winter night, and explores the importance of kindness. It's a Scandinavian story told in the style of Japanese puppetry, which makes it totally New York City. La MaMa Kids performances are held at the La MaMa Annex, 66 E. 4th St. Ages 4 and up.
The Nethermead in Prospect Park is transformed into a spooky setting (but not too spooky: it's the middle of the day, after all), with decorations and performers in costume and a haunted walk on Lookout Hill. Some of Brooklyn's best food trucks will be there—and handing out candy to trick or treaters. Oct 26 noon-3pm. All ages, but best suited for ages 7-12.
No autumn would be complete without the Amazing Maize Maze at the Queens County Farm Museum! The American Maze Company builds a labyrinth every year that that stretches over several acres, with the length of the course often stretching two miles! Previous years’ themes have included a violin, a riverboat, a train, a farmscape and the largest living sundial. Be sure to check americanmaze.com for the full list of Amazing Maize Maze locations in nearby counties. Ages 3 and up.
This fall-tacular Halloween celebration takes over the Bronx Zoo spot on weekends from Sept 29 to Nov 14 (plus the school holiday on Monday, Oct 14). Kids can hold on tight during the Haunted Pirate Hayride, get spooked at the Extinct Animal Graveyard, pick up sweets on the Candy Trail, show off their Halloween getups at the costume parade and so much more. Tiny kids will love the mini corn maze, and you'll love all the adorable photo ops. Go on the Spooktacular Night Walks (separate ticket costs $45 per person, $35 for members), and you'll see what happens in the zoo after hours...if you dare! All ages.
Get in the Halloween spirit at this massive jack o'lantern bonanza featuring more than a thousand hand-carved pumpkins. The orange works of art are transformed by hundreds of carvers into movie characters and pop culture icons, plus impressive multi-pumpkin sculptures of dinosaurs, dragons, safari animals and more. The whole family will love exploring these intricately carved pumpkins (some of which weigh over 100 pounds!) while listening to festive Halloween tunes. Be sure to check out the live-carving stations, where tykes can watch the artists in action. Check online before booking, as some time slots might be sold out. All ages.
Industry City and Beyond are maximizing the spookiness with a variety of Halloween activities for the whole family. The second annual Kids' Halloween Parade is more than just that: The celebration includes a trick-or-treat scavenger hunt, a pumpkin patch, a mural painting and much more. Enjoy the frighteningly fun festivities for the best October yet! Don't forget to wear your costume! All ages.
This Halloween party starts at MCU Park with games, and songs, and goodie bags, and a bounce house. An annual costume contest will crown the Best Handmade, Most Creative, Funniest Costume, and Best Group, but all the kids are winners—a boardwalk parade will take the tots from MCU Park to Luna Park, and every child will be given a complimentary wrist band good for two hours of play. Free registration through the Alliance for Coney Island is mandatory on the day of the event. October 26, 11am. All ages, costume contest open to ages 3-14.
Enjoy exciting science activities with gooey pumpkins, play with temporary tattoos and watch performances that celebrate the spookiest time of year at Brookfield Place! Halloween costumes are encouraged, so dress to impress (there's a catwalk, after all). There will also be trick-or-treating throughout Brookfield Place. All ages.
For free spooky thrills this Halloween, head to Asphalt Green’s annual hit event Asphalt Screams. The sports and fitness organization hosts families on the Upper East Side campus for the festivities. All ages are encouraged to don their costumes and gather around for scary stories, dancing and trick-or-treating. Halloween-themed sports like Spooktacular Soccer Shootout will wear out little ones bouncing off their sugar high. RSVP online. All ages.
The high-tech haunted hotel will give a good spook to even the toughest guests. Designed and constructed by the City College of Technology’s Theatreworks group, this eerie house features motion sensors that activate creepy creatures and sounds, gruesome scenes and other dark brouhaha. Ages 10 and up.
The blooms at NYBG are given a spooky touch during this seasonal extravaganza. Expect pumpkins, scarecrows, puppets and eye-popping pumpkin carving demonstrations. Giant Pumpkin Weekend (Oct 26–27 from 10am–6pm) is one of the ground's other can't-miss Halloween happenings. All ages.
Of all the Halloween festivals in the city, Central Park’s is the only one that involves sending your homemade jack-o’-lanterns afloat into the Harlem Meer. Before the main event at 6pm, kids are invited to show off their most creative costumes in a parade, dance to "Monster Mash" and other Halloween songs by live musicians, ogle live pumpkin-carving demos, listen to scary stories and work on creepy crafts. Learn more about the ghoulishly good events' lineup online. All ages.
"Mall" isn't necessarily an accurate way to describe American Dream. Sure, the long-awaited Jersey attraction boasts hundreds of retail options, from Zara and H&M to Saks Fifth Avenue and Tiffany & Co., but the three-million-square-foot destination is definitely an entertainment hub that needs to be on your radar. Mark your calendars for Oct 25, the grand opening of the estimated $5 billion project. Triple Five Group, the masterminds behind the Mall of America in Minnesota, has worked to ensure that the Meadowlands shopping and entertainment behemoth is the talk of the town. Add a Jersey outing to your list of fall activities for kids and check out all that awaits!
The venerable epicurean extravaganza spends Saturdays in Williamsburg and Sundays in Prospect Park. No matter your preference, there's a little something for everyone. While kids can delight in sweets like fried cookie dough, those with a more expansive palate can opt for offerings such as seafood from Lobsterdamus, Boutros' pork shawarma tacos or PopdUp brewed teas, among seemingly hundreds of other dishes. This year, the new Pizza Cupcake and Fluffies Soufflé Pancakes (available Saturdays and Sundays) will be on hand to wow visitors! Note that admission to the food fest is free, but each vendor charges various prices. All ages.
There's nothing else quite like the Great Jack O’Lantern Blaze for experiencing the magic and wonder of Halloween with your family. The attraction is set along the beautiful 18th century riverside landscape of Van Cortlandt Manor, and you can stroll along the Pumpkin Promenade to take in thousands of Jack O' Lanterns (all of which are hand-carved)! This delightfully eerie walk is also set to cool sound effects, synchronized light displays and an original soundtrack. Expect to see spiders and snakes, animals of all kinds on this spooky stroll. Be sure to get your tickets early—they sell out fast and required to gain access to the event! Also note that the tickets you purchase are for specific times. All ages.
We love a good spooky theme—and good thing, because this year’s Halloween Harvest Festival theme is Fet Gede, the Haitian Festival of the Ancestors! There will be a card readings, mini altars and a special dance and drum performance. Kids can also enjoy some hands-on fun with costume making, face painting and art projects. Dogs are invited to join in the fun with the annual canine costume contest. All ages.
Head to Coney Island for some Halloween fun! Luna Park's annual celebration kicks off mid-September and runs on weekends through October with kid-friendly activities and fall fun. Little ones can get their faces painted, ride ponies, participate in arts and crafts, magic tricks, karaoke, games, story time and dance. No need to head to a farm to find your Jack O’Lantern—the park will have a pumpkin patch onsite. Head to Luna Park's website for more event information! All ages.
The LEGOLAND Discovery Center in Westchester is getting spooky this fall with Brick or Treat. The special event at the "Ulitmate Indoor LEGO Playground" features a haunted Miniland, Halloween-themed building competitions and an immersive ghost-hunting experience called "Hidden Side" that lets you use an app to find and capture spooky apparitions. Costumes encouraged! All ages.
Get over to Sixth Avenue to see thousands of costumes, dancers and floats, including giant skeletons that dance above your head and hordes of zombies jamming out. See creative costumes you’d never glimpse anywhere else, since some people spend all year making theirs! This year's theme will be “Wild thing”. Such a spectacle doesn’t come without crowds, though; partygoers are advised to get there early and stake out a spot. If you can’t make it in person (or don’t feel like braving the masses), never fear: The parade is broadcast live for all to see on NY1 from 7pm. Sixth Ave from Spring to 16th Sts. All ages.
Brooklyn Botanic Garden is debuting its Harvest Homecoming Festival in a big way: Families can expect classic autumnal activities—think hayrides, cornhole games and bobbing for apples—but there will also be newfangled delights, such as pumpkin bowling. Mom and Dad can kick back, too: New York breweries will be on hand with cider and other bevvies. Halloween costumes are encouraged! All ages.
New Yorkers take their immersive experiences quite seriously, and this fall promises a slew of sensory-filled adventures. After indulging in creamy goodness at the Museum of Ice Cream's new Soho flagship, head over for a creative afternoon at Sloomoo Institute. This 8,000 square-foot entertainment hub, also in Soho, opens Oct 25 and guarantees a slimy encounter like no other. Visitors big and lil' will enter a black light cove with glow in the dark slime, let an EEG machine provide a sneak peek of your brain on slime and much more. For creative youngsters who love STEM project, this is one of the coolest fall activities for kids taking place this year. Tickets are now on sale ($38) and include an 8-ounce custom slime and other fun trinkets. For those who take their sliming super seriously, visitors can participate in a Sloomoo photoshoot (for an additional $30) where slime pours down on eager participants a la 90's Nickelodeon days.
This Park Slope institution's fall performance is the Charles Perrault version of Sleeping Beauty, written in 1697. The familiar story comes to life when portrayed by a cast of hand-carved wooden marionettes dressed in intricate Medieval costumes. Set to the Tchaikovsky ballet score, it's an elegant telling that will delight your children. Note: bonus performances will be held on the school holidays on Oct 14 and Nov 11. Reservations suggested. Ages 4 and up.
This is one event parents might enjoy just as much as the kids...maybe even more so. Rock & Roll Playhouse is a family-friendly concert series that introduces littles to the greats—The Beatles, Queen, U2, to name a few—as the house band plays some of the most popular tunes. The weekend happening adds a few kid-friendly elements such as stories and crafts to make the program extra epic. All events in Industry City (Saturdays at 12:30pm) are free, but tickets are required. Shows at Brooklyn Bowl (Sundays at noon) are $12. Head to the event's website for a full lineup. Head to Rockfeller Center (Rockefeller Plaza, located between 49th and 50th Sts and 5th and 6th Ave) on July 27 at 11am for a midtown jam fest!
For the first time in forever, Disney's "Snow Queen"-inspired movie about sisterly love and a talking snowman is coming to Broadway. Elsa, Anna, Kristoff and the whole gang will turn the St. James Theater into a winter wonderland full of songs from the original soundtrack. Expect phenomenal sets and stage-magic, plus a certain Oscar-winning song to get stuck in your head.
Husband and wife duo Fan and Ana Yang have traveled world-wide to dazzle their audiences with their self-titled masterpiece, "bubble artistry." As lights flicker and music plays, prepare to catch some of the wonkiest looking bubbles you've ever encountered. Kids and parents alike will love how these soapy spectacles create a can't-miss experience. Ages 5 and up.
Charley Maplewood is about to reach a milestone: He's entering double-digit territory and celebrating the big one-oh! The youngster has never been too keen on grand festivities, considering he only has imaginary monster friends by his side, but that's about to change. In honor of this new chapter, the little one decides to throw himself a House of Horrors-themed bash, but things go awry. Will he be able to make the party a success? Find out in this adorable family musical! Note that the Oct 12 showing is a relaxed performance. Ages 5 and up.
Stomp takes percussion to a whole new level. A small cast of characters makes use of atypical objects—wooden polls, push brooms—to create a unique musical experience. A catchy rhythm, impressive dance moves and laugh-out-loud moments prove why this Off-Broadway show is such a crowd pleaser, even if there isn't any dialogue. Your kiddos might be inspired to take household items and start a jam session of their own! Ages 4 and up.
Prepare to dig deep like a true paleontologist thanks to "T. Rex: The Ultimate Predator." The Museum of Natural History's new exhibit will give visitors a peek into how the massive creatures came to be. Patrons will get a good look at the new findings about the tyrannosaurs genus, with a special focus on our main man, the T. rex. Unlike what people may think—and what movies led us to believe—T. rex is simply one part of the species' 100-million-year evolution. Who knew that tyrannosaurs species actually include small, agile creatures? For real!
To prove that art and music are an unstoppable pair, The Jewish Museum and the the Diller-Quaile Music School will host a six-week program titled "The Sound of Color" for pre-schoolers and families. The program's family concerts are as follows: The Funky Monkeys: Sept 22 at 11:30am Dan & Claudia Zanes: Oct 20 at 11:30am Hopalong Andrew Band: Nov 24 at 11:30am Nefesh Mountain: Dec 25 at 11:30am and 2pm
The Brooklyn outpost invites its youngest visitors to get in tune with the arts by way of its BAMkids program, which includes concerts, workshops and movie screenings. Find the 2019–2020 schedule below. Ages 2–11. Oct 20: Screening of Spider-Man: Into the Spiderverse at 2pm Nov 3: Screening of Okko's Inn at 2pm Nov 9: Lucy Kalantari & the Jazz Cats performances at 10:30am and 2pm Nov 16: Get Up, Stand Up! Family Workshop at 1pm Nov 17: Queen of Katwe screening at 2pm Dec 1: Muppet Christmas Carol screening at 1pm Dec 7: Raga Kids performances at 10:30am and 2pm
First there's a drawing lesson, then there's a drawing session: Simon Levenson, National Arts Club drawing instructor, will teach you and your kid the basics of working in charcoal. After 30 minutes of how-tos, you get to be both artist and model as you and your kid take turns sketching each other. There's some dress-up, with period accessories evoking the age of John Singer Sargent. This will be sure to—ahem—draw the family closer together. All materials included. Ages 6-14.
Kids' musical group Yellow Sneaker will turn to puppet pals to help little event-goers (and their caregivers) embrace Jewish traditions and the importance of family. Note this is a drop-in program from the museum. Ages 4 and under.
Budding engineers and artists will be equally enthralled by the masterpieces Nathan Sawaya has intricately crafted with over 1,000,000 toy blocks. (No, that number is not a typo.) Visitors who love dinosaur activities will gawk at the artist's 20-foot t. rex, which is comprised of over 80,000 pieces alone. Creative youngsters who participate in fun art classes for kids will enjoy Sawaya's recreation of Van Gogh’s Starry Night and Da Vinci’s Mona Lisa. Additionally, photographer Dean West partnered with Sawaya to produce a multimedia collection of LEGO brick-infused photos. Make sure to participate in the exhibit's interactive elements as well! All ages.
The amazing life-saving dogs in this immersive 3D movie are like real-life PAW Patrol pups. Find out the remarkable stories of canines and their human companions who work hard everyday to rescue people in snowy avalanches and off the coasts of warm beaches. There's even a pair of Bloodhound brothers who are helping save endangered species in Africa. 45 minutes. All ages
Although the spotlight is oftentimes on the dinosaurs, the Museum of Natural History wants to give patrons a chance to experience life under the waves, too, not just on land during prehistoric times. Thanks to the new film, Oceans: Our Blue Planet, musumer-goers can journey with the OceanX research vessel Alucia as it uncovers what's lurking beneath the sea. This film will be shown daily in the Museum’s Samuel J. and Ethel LeFrak Theater in 2D at 11:30am and 4:30pm, and in 3D at 10:30am and 12:30, 1:30, 2:30 and 3:30pm. The schedule is subject to change. All ages.
A tech and gaming-inspired pop-up from artist Tianyu Qiu, the former creative director behind the whimsical Wonder World installation in Brooklyn, has opened in Soho at 1 York St. With odes to the American Pop Art movement and European Futurism movement, “Pixinity: Pop Futurism” will transport visitors of all ages to a creative universe. Those who swing by will be led through 10 vibrant rooms chock full of sculptures, pixelated pieces, emoji-like figures, digital and gaming icons and computer-inspired work. (Yes, there's even a ball pit!). All ages.
Think your kid has what it takes to crack the code? Thanks to SPYSCAPE's newly opened Spy School, you'll have a budding FBI agent on your hands. Students in middle school through college are invited to the afternoon program that allows them to make and break WWII codes in themed Encryption mission, detect lies in Deception booths and much more. “We’re thrilled by the success of SPYSCAPE in New York City, and delighted to be able to offer this experience for free to students,” Ian Oldaker, COO of SPYSCAPE New York said in a statement. “We have had a lot of requests for this kind of program and we’re excited about creating new educational offerings as we continue to grow.” Spy School is free with a valid student ID, but attendees t must be accompanied by a paid ticket holder. We'll catch you there...or will we? Middle school–college.
NYC's museum dedicated to all-things espionage will soon shed some light on 007. The first James Bond exhibit in New York examines the creativity that went into bringing the movies to life. Car aficionados: You'll be pleased to know that Bond's Aston Martin DB5 will on display. There are also many interactive components to the exhibit: You can check out gadgets and gizmos in the Q's lab, get a behind-the-scenes look at how the Skyfall finale came to be and so much more. All ages.
Advertised as the "biggest, most realistic dinosaur ride in America," the new attraction shuttles families (with narration) through a wooded area packed with 40 ultra-realistic (read: gigantic) animatronic dinosaurs. One of the most notable features will certainly be the two towering Tyrannosaurus rex—as well as the vegetarian Omeisaurus that stretches an impressive 60 feet long. And to make things as realistic as possible, the Bronx Zoo teamed up with a paleontologist from the American Museum of Natural History—Don Lessem even served as an advisor on the original Jurassic Park! The experience is topped off with an ADA-accessible fossil dig area for kids to play in, plus some additional dino-themed activities around the zoo. All ages.
NYC's most popular Instagram landmark underwent a renovation that is practically as breathtaking as its views of Manhattan. The $165 million reimagined Observatory Experience at the Empire State Building allows visitors to learn about all aspects of the iconic building: from the moment it was built to its place in pop culture today. Galleries focus on the construction, opening day and everything in between. Catch 70+ screens depicting the building's place in the NYC skyline, see if your favorite celebrity has made a visit and, of course, get a taste of King Kong! Giant ape fingers pierce the wall of a 1930s-themed office. Yikes! All ages.
Celebrate the 50th anniversary of the first moon landing with a screening of this 20 minute movie. The whole family will be amazed by the Apollo 11's story, as the filmmakers reconstruct the vessel's preparation, launch and return using never-before-seen footage. After the film, take your future astronauts to check out the museum's Search for Life Beyond Earth exhibition. All ages.
Each Saturday and Sunday, this enchanting independant kids bookstore in Cobble Hill hosts a story time. Authors read from their dazzling picture books, that can be incredibly funny, heart-warming, educational or all of the above. Be sure to check out all of the store's unique special events for children and young adult readers, too. Check out the lineup here. All ages.
The museum opens up its doors every Sunday for family-friendly activities revolving around various themes (which switch each month). Not only do little ones get to explore their creativity and learn a bit more about particular topics, but they also can revel in the fact that they can take home their art after a day of working on a masterpiece. In May, the events are focused around the museum's The Power of Intention. After checking out the exhibition, the kiddos can experiment with oils and color to make an expressive original piece. Ages 3 and up.
The Loukoumi Make A Difference Foundation has joined forces with the Broadway sensation Come From Away to emphasize the importance of helping others. The result? Inspiring Stories That Make A Difference, a new book that hits shelves on Oct 22 and focuses on personal stories from 75+ kiddos who have paid it forward. To keep the momentum high, Make a Difference with Loukoumi Week will host a variety of events throughout the country, including NYC, to spread the message. On Oct 26, The Loukoumi Good Deed Bus will tour Manhattan and stop to bring food to homeless shelters. More information about participation will be available within the coming weeks. To stay on top of the week-long events, visit loukoumifoundation.org.
One World Project (302 Vanderbilt St) is looking to bridge the gap between cultures. Come to the Saturday play sessions (for both children and adults) to immerse yourself in the Spanish language by way of outside play, story time, music and other fun activities. Scholarships are available. Register online. Ages 5 and under.
What happens when the zoo closes? Now you'll get a chance to find out! Once all visitors take off for the evening, you'll be invited to join the Spooktacular Walks and get up close and personal with some creepy creatures, enjoy a night walk of the grounds and refuel with a pizza dinner. All ages.
The fall lineup at On Stage at Kingsborough includes two family-friendly productions. First is "Peter Pan," and a new adaptation of the familiar classic by Tony Award winners John Caird and Trevor Nunn. (Oct 13) Then there will be "A Charlie Brown Christmas," with live actors playing the animated characters—Charlie Brown's shirt is even more zigzaggy in person. (Nov 17) As always, the audience can meet the cast after the show—imagine the thrill when your little one stands nose-to-nose with Tinkerbell. Ages 4 and up.